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Post by AhkneeKitteen on Jun 11, 2011 19:02:03 GMT -5
s'all good.
on my psp, so i'll be concise.
you may or may not have picked up some lesbian vibes from Mars and Venus in the series. in greek myth, aphrodite was slightly whorish and one of her lovers was aries (a rumored suspect for having killed adonis btw).
aphrodite also had associations with war in earlier myths. venus probably was decided on as leader of the inners due to aphrodite having decent intellect and the ability to match the corporate skills of any man.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2011 22:30:27 GMT -5
Interesting.
Is there any mythological reasoning behind our token lesbians Uranus and Neptune?
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Post by AhkneeKitteen on Jun 13, 2011 1:13:22 GMT -5
I'm ... fairly certain there's nothing about that, as far as I can remember. Though I guess Uranus's World Shaking bears some resemblance to Poseidon's association with causing earthquakes even though Uranus is definitely air-based in attacks but the attack itself causes shaking ground and aauugh brain running away
On that subject, I guess we can cover those two in mythology.
Neptune/Poseidon share a common ground with Sailor Neptune in, well, the sea. That's about it, really. Neptune as a planet rules the same things that Venus does (aesthetics, love, pleasure, the arts), but on a higher plane of being, so to say. The planet bears with it lots of mystical aspects, and in its highest form, Neptune represents perfection - something that the character seems to embody very well.
For Uranus, I ... don't recall a very popular Roman equivalent, actually. Anyway, Uranus is the god of the sky, and was considered a kind of ... abstract god in the sense that he was a god who simply personified the sky itself, not really a personality at all. Uranus bore several sets of children with Gaea (Earth), one of which was Chronos - the Greek equivalent to Saturn and all that, so the sort of fatherly role Haruka takes on with Hotaru plays with that. Chronos also was the one to castrate Uranus, and this event caused Uranus to be linked with androgyny, something Haruka exhibits very well, oh and also Uranus apparently was linked with homosexuality but I could be wrong there and drawing from the overtones of Aquarius' astrology background but whatever.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2011 21:30:59 GMT -5
I see. I was curious if there was a reason or not, and there kind of is one.
Is there any more you could give us on Saturn and Pluto? (Love me the Outer Planets!)
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Post by AhkneeKitteen on Jun 16, 2011 2:29:34 GMT -5
Oh man, the great Saturn and Pluto myths and the supposed mix-up in their chosen planets ... well, let's get this over with.
There's been questions for years whether Takeuchi-sama mixed up the planets given to these two because in myth, Pluto was the planet associated with death and rebirth and revolution and all that jazz and Saturn was more associated with the space-time thing, but there a lot of complex shit going on here and people have just taken a lot of assumptions that every soldier perfectly represents each planet (but, again, look at Mercury - the only thing in common there is the water festival thing, and Mars is in no way ever assumed to be associated with fire, etc. etc.). This is mostly due to the fact that people just assume Pluto is only representing time and Saturn is only representing death and rebirth.
That said, Pluto refers to herself as the daughter of Chronos, the personification of time. Apparently in Greek myth Saturn was the father of Pluto. Onto more about the mixup, Pluto is called the soldier of change - which is definitely associated with her planet. She is also referred to as the guardian of the underworld, hence her attack Dead Scream. Hades and Pluto are completely interchangeable as far as names go. Hades was the name of the underworld and, as anyone who's given Hercules a watch knows, the ruler himself (also referred to as Pluto). The Underworld was a pretty gloomy sort of place, not really good but not bad either, but it was a little lonely and boring - kind of fitting for the location of the Time Gates, wouldn't you say? All foggy and lonely and stuff, yeah.
Saturn has been referred to as the soldier of silence, and also of ruin and birth. Saturn was a god of agriculture and the harvest and often was depicted wielding a scythe/sickle. Saturn's glaive is, of course, a reference to said scythe. In Greek mythos, Cronus was the considered equivalent (yes, Cronus/Chronos is kind of the same in that they just blended together into one over a long period of time due to lots of mishaps and misadventures) of Saturn. Cronus also wielded a sickle/scythe, and was a little batshit in that he's the one who took off his papy's gonads, thus becoming known ruler of the universe, and also decided that devouring his offspring was a-ok because they might do the same to him someday. Roman myth is pretty similar to this, so it's no wonder Saturn herself is associated with ruin and that sort of thing - the inspiration drawn from Greco-Roman myth pretty much set her up for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 21:49:13 GMT -5
Damn... I knew about Chronos eating the kids and everything, yeah.
It's funny how it goes Uranus --> Saturn --> Pluto, but in the anime, Pluto's the oldest, followed by Uranus and then Saturn.
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Post by Brianna (Galaxia_15) on Jun 18, 2011 8:39:44 GMT -5
WOW. I knew about the Selene/Endymion thing, but not about everything else. The whole Venus/Uranus uniform thing was really interesting. Never noticed that before!
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Post by AhkneeKitteen on Jun 18, 2011 17:32:03 GMT -5
Picking up on the little cues is fun. Also, I used to have too much time on my hands to notice this stuff.
Anyway, onwards!
Most everyone knows that Zeus was a manwhore back in ye olden days. If it moved, he pretty much was guaranteed to try and bone it, no matter the gender. Hell, one time someone turned themselves into a horse to try and avoid the guy - and then he countered and turned into a horse and boned the poor girl. Greek mythology, you rock. Anyway, that could be where Makoto draws her boy-crazy from.
Zeus had various symbols to represent him, two of which were the thunderbolt and oak - hence why Jupiter has lightning-based attacks and Oak Evolution and her relation to wood. He was not only the god of thunder, but also the sky - and might explain why Makoto gets along fairly well with Haruka.
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Post by princess on Jun 19, 2011 19:03:46 GMT -5
i didn't know sailor pluto is the oldest sailor scout... i love the anime ALOTS! my favorite but... i realy didn't know that... *embarrassed*
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Post by AhkneeKitteen on Jun 22, 2011 15:07:12 GMT -5
I guess technically Pluto could be ageless in the fact that she's kind of ... just ... there ... always. She probably always has existed in some form or another since her position at the Time Gates entirely stops her from aging and kind of grants her the secondary awesome of existing outside of time itself.
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Post by princess on Jun 22, 2011 19:28:37 GMT -5
i wonder... how old is pluto?
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Post by AhkneeKitteen on Jun 23, 2011 0:17:24 GMT -5
No one knows. It's never stated, though she looks to be around 20 or so.
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Post by princess on Jun 23, 2011 0:35:06 GMT -5
not even in sailormoon bio and stuff like that? who knows, you're prolly right ahknee.
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Post by moon yagami on Jun 23, 2011 1:03:14 GMT -5
yeah, she's around mamoru's age (early to mid 20's) but she does not age... though she appears to be in her 20's she might be eons older.
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Post by AhkneeKitteen on Jun 23, 2011 1:16:45 GMT -5
Yep. Her civilian age is listed as being 18-20 in the series, but she's definitely older than a few thousand years - she was the only one not reborn after the destruction of the Silver Millennium, after all.
Her existence on a whole is kind of confusing, actually. I could probably go on for a while with theories on it.
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